DVDs, p****s and stamina
I’m walking home from work. As I come across four teenagers in hoodies, one of them can’t resist: “Got any DVDS for sale? DVD? DVD?”
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A student tries to barge into the classroom I am in today. I let the student I’m teaching out first, then keep the little nuisance from entering. “Don’t touch me! Keep your hands off me, you pri©k!” I lock the door, and when he manages to con another teacher into unlocking it, coming in to make a fool of himself again, he goes around yelling “Don't touch me you pri©k”. I’d love to grab my hands around his collar and throw him out, but unfortunately school rules in this country forbid this sort of contact, and my next student has arrived anyway, and I let the other teacher deal with it.
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Teenage kids in London do little to surprise me these days. If you’ve read this blog from about a year or two back, you’ll notice that I’ve stopped blogging about these sort of incidents – they still happen, don’t bother me as much now. You could class my reaction as defeatist, since I don’t acknowledge any of this rude behaviour to give it any credence, but from experience (and plenty of that) I’ve learnt you cannot reason with Unreason. Some people are like that – so starved for attention, they’ll try to bait you into a verbal or physical fight which they’ll then try to escalate, possibly with knives, thinking eventually they can pin the cause on you. I might not feel I’ve won, but I’d be more successful teaching Mandarin to squirrels than talking sense into such people. And there are a lot of kids like that in schools nowadays, truanting lessons, going around to other classrooms, trying to make a nuisance of themselves, and disrupting those classes. They like the attention. They like it that you're stopping to speak with them. They like it that by pretending to be dumb, they aggravate you and wind you up. It might sound silly to you, but I know of some state schools where teachers routinely lock themselves (and sometimes their students) in their classrooms to keep other teenagers out, so they can actually get some work done and some peace. Me? I’m just glad I bailed out of class teaching years ago.
Rules in the Far East are stricter. In Singapore headmasters can administer caning (and in front of the whole school, too) to miscreants. At one of my schools a student pointed his middle finger at me, and was rewarded with two strokes of the cane on his palm during assembly the next day. You might question if the punishment was proportionate, but that sort of insolence and rudeness is not tolerated, which is why there are fewer behavioural problems there, and the teachers can concentrate on teaching. Here? At one of the schools I taught at, you had to mete out “warnings” for each instance of rude behaviour – two such warnings a week would warrant a lunchtime detention, and three, an after-school detention. Which meant a student could yell “Fu©k” at me three times a week, whereupon the justice I deserved would be to have to stay with him for an extra hour after school, and set him some work to keep him occupied – and that’s after liaising with his parents to make sure he did the detention on a day that was convenient for him. The same system meant the 30 students in a class could individually yell obscenities at me once a week, get a warning, and get away with it. (The warnings system reset itself each week so students began Mondays on a clean slate.)
Just out of interest, could anyone enlighten me on what schools, student behavior, and systems of punishement are like where you are? I know there are teachers and ex-teachers who read this blog, but even perspectives from a non-teaching point of view are very welcome. Are schools in your area bad? Is the above behavior typical? Are teenagers a law unto themselves? People in Britain (at least, the teachers that I talk to) seem to think it’s always worse on that side of the Atlantic, but I can’t see that’s true – maybe they’re just trying to console themselves for the remaining years until they reach pensionable age.
Like I said, I’m so glad I’m not a state school teacher any more. I don’t have the day-to-day stamina for that - the rudeness, the lack of achievement, the petty behavior. I’d be surprised if British society, which is increasingly full of such behaviour from a very young age, doesn’t implode within five generations from now.
Teachers - run for it!


8 Comments:
I'm not sure if it the kids or the parents that are worse! If my daughter was doing something that disrespectful, she'd be in big trouble from me.
It is bad here, but we are still in elementary school now. I am not looking forward to junior high.
9:47 PM
I used to teach adults getting their high school diplomas after being incarcerated or on welfare. Some were incredibly motivated and polite; most were like the kids you described. It's very hard to teach those who do not respect an education. Fight the good fight.
12:39 AM
Well, you can't convince me to run away from teaching, but I'll tell you what goes on at my school. We have a system that is kind of like a teenage time out. If a student interferes with the learning or saftey of others I quietly go over and allow them to choose "step" is what it's called. They then go sit in a chair in the corner for 2-5 minutes. If they argue, or do not go appropriately they escalate to the next step. If they get to a step 4 they have to go to the office and cannot return to class until their parent comes in for a parent/teacher/student conference where the student has to tell the parent what they did wrong so on and so forth. I think it is very effective and holds the students somewhat accountable for their actions. It's not a perfect system, but it saves me from yelling and from a lot of that type of behavior. I work in a poor diversified school and the kids are pretty respectful as far as middle school kids go.
1:14 AM
I work with preschoolers - they are all very sweet and funny. I work with their parents too, 95% of the time they are wonderful. Occasionally we'll get someone in who is a challenge, but it is occasional. My office is in a building on the college campus. While I hear occasional stories of disrespect, and more often stories of laziness or trying to slide by, again, for the most part, students are respectful. It probably has to do with choosing to be at a community college and paying the bill for it.
My sons, and their friends (about half homeschooled, and half public school) have always been kind and respectful. Some of that goes back to what Runner Susan said - we expected it of them. Most were 4H kids or cross country kids, and both groups had high standards for behavior. Not meeting the standards meant not participating.
I ran into more of the behavior you describe volunteering at a teen program that was open to the public at our local Y. Again, rude behavior meant you didn't get to come back, so you might encounter it once from a kid, but not a second time.
5:44 AM
Rob, I hear you on the Steps. We have a version like that - naughty kids get sent out of the class to cool down and hopefully return. Our version of Step 4 is that a senior teacher will come to the class and bring the student to his/her office, but in reality the senior teacher never shows up, the teacher has to get the student out quick to minimize diruption ... and then the student goes to create havoc elsewhere, and the teacher hears it from the senior teachers for letting the student run riot and disturb other classes.
7:29 PM
I agree with Runnersusan I'm not sure if it the kids or the parents are worse. In the past I was a teacher as 2nd job but I left because I couldn't stand the behaviour of the students, but what a satisfaction when I said: "I don't need this job to live so **ck you, I leave today and I don't sign your degrees"!
10:23 AM
My kids are in elementary school. Things there are good. I know the middle school is not good. They are currently busing kids in from another school that closed. From the gossip I'm hearing, there are food fights, a lot of f&ck u's, teachers getting hit etc. I don't think they are dealing with it since the crap is STILL going on. My idea is to put the bad kids in their own school. But you can't do that b/c the parents create a big fuss and threaten lawsuits. That's America....I'm going to sue. I agree with Susan if my kid ever gets out of hand there is going to be huge trouble at home.
3:19 PM
Having 3 kids finish high school and still one in the school system they were all taught that they are to respect the teacher. They don't have to like them but they must not do anything that would get them into trouble.
I also felt the kids were more concerned what would happen to them if they did anything like you described. I would not have tolerated it at all.
Good luck hope it improves for you.
2:22 AM
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